Because it reduces maintenance costs and eliminates a serious bottleneck to pedestrian throughput, and I dont think systems with faregates have lower fare evasion rates than systems with POP. Instead of developing an open system, they created an opaque Key farecard that offers many benefits to those who can afford it and severely penalizes those without it. policy. The other point about the Asians, as I have mentioned in earlier responses on this same issue, is that the cost is very low, so they can use fancy conditions to vary the fare (on distance, time, whatever) but it will always be a travel bargain (Singapore, Hong Kong, both world cities); note also that this is not the case for their rail links to the airport where they adopt maximum extraction policies (on the basis of social justice I guess; if you can afford to fly you can afford this higher fare), such that far more Hong Kongers use buses to the airport than the airport express (though there are geographical reasons too). Any maintenance on these escalators requires wearing haz-mat suits. Of course it changes the math, especially since many people get to work from home every once in awhile. It is $12.40 to go from Fremont to SFO (a 30 mile drive). I more or less agree but then if we compare Greater Paris with Tokyo, the former with very affordable transit and the latter with more expensive transit, then clearly it doesnt always follow, ie. @Phake Nick Sorry that narrative is wrong, the pro-car consensus was if anything more dominant 1950-1987, highways and railways were actually paired together e.g. @Eric2 Some of the sprawl was developed during the bubble era , but the public transportation was scrapped after the bubble burst. In Berlin theres a similar situation DB Regio runs the S-Bahn, BVG runs the U-Bahn and surface transit and thus a similar issue arises of how to split revenues. In fact, all of these have had a more permissive stance that has been incrementally put in place in NYC over the past 2-3 years, and anyone who rides the train has seen it. SB, 2019/11/15 09:51 Its also easier to go mob handed on inspections at busy Metro stations in the city, but on a commuter train 40 minutes out in the suburbs, its easier if you filtered out the fare cheats from the busier stations rather than some lone inspector trying to do it. But New York fare evasion is mostly a bus problem: the rate on buses is 22%. Anyway, youre getting stuck in the weeds and one would almost think that is some kind of distracting argument away from the main game: affordable and equitable transit. Solano Verde Water District. In New York, the SBS system uses proof of payment (POP), but passengers still have to validate fares at bus stops, even if they already have paid, for example if they have a valid monthly pass. Your first point is the more important one: absolute rate is way lower. The Swiss at least do zonal fares with monthly passes. Once again we see actual efficiency (for the customer, prospective traveller) sacrificed for some CFO or CTOs notions of access. I seriously doubt the London system could, however I hope they have learned lessons from the Kings Cross fire disaster. They are cited in the same way that a fare evader is, even though theyve obviously paid the fare. I do note that East Asian cities with nearly universal transit use, have very complex pricing that does not seem to bother anyone there. The most important maxim when addressing a low-level crime is to make it easy to follow the law. Germany is very law-abiding in stereotype. We are seeing more an more examples of clients being summoned to court over unpaid fares of as little as 1.50. Settling case out of court (fare evasion) | RailUK Forums. With the Paris flat-fare system and immense freedom of Carte Orange, and of course that in almost every single aspect the system outperformed LU and was cheaper. This split also had an effect on the policing of fare evasion, as checks used to be a LOT rarer on the S-Bahn than the U-Bahn or tram, and in my experience the inspectors also tended to be more lenient, letting people off with a warning if they had a passable excuse, which would never happen with the BVG inspectors. This would be different from London, where Underground makes a sizable profit, and Overground about breaks even. Also, a friend who is former department of health mentioned there is a churro sweatshop where the churro supply for several of these vendors these are made, and which is without working bathrooms, which they had raided in the past. That is a ridiculous and misleading claim. Do you think the econometric, austerity-minded policies w.r.t. Think this is a relatively recent initiative, maybe withn the last 5 years or so. WebTransit Fare Evasion. it seems it's a RA1889 prosecution ie Fraudulent use of a Freedom pass with the intent to avoid payment of the correct fare. Seattle uses a third way of incentivizing monthlies, in addition to low-income fare discounts and relatively affordable monthly passes; Washington States Commute Trip Reduction law incentivizes large employers (>100 people) to reduce driving alone rates, and buying monthly passes for employees and making them available for little to no charge is a fairly common strategy to do so. Maybe concession fares are needed for the very poor, but the costs of even expensive transit pale in comparison to the cost of even heavily subsidized car ownership nevermind accurately priced car ownership. Monthly passes indeed encourage transit use, but thats not wasteful. Unlicensed vending is fine, I dont have a problem with the churro venders of New York. The solicitor who took on my case took a statement, we spoke about mysituation in depth. michaelrjames , youre rather confused. For more precise recording, there are teams of inspectors checking every ticket, and in the case of pass holders they ask from where to where the trip goes. NYCs subway, though a lot less user-friendly, at least has the virtue of fare simplicity. Finally, as to user satisfaction, you may well be correct if youre talking of the Brits/Londoners. Yeah, the lack of monthly caps on Oyster baffles me. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Also because as long as you are not going to the big London Stations once you get in to the evenings and weekends there is a big chance those stations gates will be open as they become unstaffed. Theres no monthly fare capping in London, but the travel card has a breakeven point of 48 in zones 1-3, which means that commuters who dont take the Tube off-peak will rarely hit the cap. Why is pay as you go more popular?? Everything is proof of payment. It is very likely that your employer paid some part, and, depending on the size of the enterprise, it is a discount. The consequences for me as regards my right to work in the UK were extremely high, and so this situation was cause for lots of stress. San Fransisco went to POP for their buses, and fare violations and dwell times both went down substantially. All of the agencies have counts, they just chose the laziest way to enforce things, then went ahead and enforced it with vigor. Caltrain has an unlimited annual GoPass (http://www.caltrain.com/Fares/tickettypes/GO_Pass.html) they only make available to large employers, who must pay based on total eligible employee headcount and not actual employee usage. Likewise, even though the Helsinki Metro is profitable, it works in conjunction with buses, trams, and commuter trains that are not, its just that theres an imputation of revenues by mode/operator offered in Helsinki and (sort of) Berlin but not in Paris. Affordable transit, along with affordable housing, is just one thing in not only creating an equitable society, but as economists now realise (doh!) No doubt designed and enforced by genuine elites who never intend to use the Underground themselves, except for an annual photo-op. On the other hand, the short single trip, for a person without a monthly pass, will be unreasonably expensive, for example creating cruel incentives for poor people to walk for 25 minutes in the rain, instead of taking a bus 6 stops. So its not really that Berlin doesnt care if criminals discourage ridership among law-abiding customers, its that Berlin doesnt treat every rider as a criminal who must constantly be watched and monitored. Highly recommend this firm, Jim was excellent and settled the case very quickly NA October 2021, I am so very grateful to Mr Skelsey who was incredibly professional and thorough when handling my case. Passport-size photos, applications, visiting the ticket office. Let me grab my laptop and a beer from the hotel bar and Ill do a quickly summary of findings., Okay. I imagine thats what New York was thinking? You need a way of preventing people to get down to the platforms. It seems a bit of a wasted effort otherwise, eh?, Oh, should of added, that this is why when youre designing your roaming checks youre really looking for how you can MAXIMISE the number of people that saw that check happen. I hired BSB firm to represent me in a TfL fare case in October 2018. Is it even desirable to reduce commuting costs? Im not sure about the Lokalbanan. Or his father Lord, Baron Rees-Mogg? Theyll be lucky if they dont get some Hong Kong-inspired rebellion! When videos of aggressive arrests surfaced, protesters demonstrated against the police presence by jumping turnstiles en masse. Sometimes the police are called. BART has a three-pronged problem that it is dealing with concerning fare-evasion. In the real-life Berlin, theres an entire subculture of fare dodging. Fare evasion is fascinating and TfL have done a bunch of interesting papers on it over the years. Contact emilia@chancellors.com to see how we can assist you. And it shows little sign of improving. 70% of department 77 Seine-et-Marne) and has huge forests and national parks (eg. All sorts use the Paris Metro and even with its monthly card, is more expensive than either of those cities. Fares are an important component of public transport revenue; the taxes required to eliminate fares are significant enough that there are probably better uses for the money. 70% of department 77 Seine-et-Marne) and has huge forests and national parks (eg. with modern technology varying fares dynamically by distance is very straightforward (with 1990s technology) and westerners would adapt very quickly. It is still bad. Concerns the railways not London transit. Or better still, a Hong Konger or Singaporean who moved to either London or Paris. I was worried he would bring the awful British views of public transit to the job, and sure enough, an extraordinary focus on fares and fare-evasion, increased policing and compliance, just couldnt be more wrong. What a wonderful system! Trains and trams are also PoP. In Berlin, the breakeven point is 36 trips. monthly passes is that be encouraging heavy rather than occasional (mixed with biking and walking) use of transit, it encourages large geographical sprawl. They cant be expected to behave they know no better. Having unlimited pass owners crowd around the fare readers is only a little bit better than having them wait to push through a gate. Thisll be relatively broad because Im in a hotel bar in Berlin, not at home with all my notes, but generally the London experience is that fare evasion can be divided into two categories: cheaper transit promoting sprawl. Um, no. Today I interpret monthly passes a kind of rent-seeking among one group of transit users, who want other people to pay the cost for their transit use. I think its also right thing to talk about the sum of the three: So I think a good reason that North American transit is a mess, is because of people argue so much in terms of common sense, are afraid of headaches, and argue with anecdotes on how people actually use transit. No, simply untrue assumption, and I could easily make the opposite assumption, eg. And the S-Bahn gets subsidies because of lower suburban ridership, same as the RER/Transilien. LegalAdviceUK exists to provide help for those in need of legal support in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Retrieved 2013-09-21. Paris if flat fare so it doesnt matter and they can have more, unattended, exits far from the attended area. Paris RER-A (the direct equivalent of CrossRail) opened in 1977 and today carries 300m pax p.a.. Today Paris has 5 RER lines which carry more than 1bn pax p.a.. About 44 years later, and 75 years after it was first proposed, CrossRail will cost north of 18bn and the scale of opportunity cost that can only be imagined. For commutes, especially the suburban crowd, transit is essentially free as to user, as its paid for by the employer, and the income is untaxed by the government. Its the nature of the mindset that believes it can avoid spending real money by improving efficiency (at someone elses expense/convenience, often far into the future) to think this way. So, I dont have a problem with the Octopus type card as long as it keeps transit relatively cheap and easy, for those who use it the most. The thing is they are impenetrable by fare-dodgers and so they dont even try (the interlocking-bars full-height type) and so these exits can be unmanned without problems, and they need almost zero maintenance. The MTA has also mentioned a higher figure, $300 million; I do not know if the higher figure includes just urban transit or also commuter rail, where conductors routinely miss inspections, giving people free rides. What? Of course with a monthly or unlimited-travel card, one doesnt think about it at all. Even as a visitor, depending on timing, I wouldnt hesitate to buy it at full face value since it really is a pass to freedom of the city, and a travel bargain. If subsidized transit leads to people moving further out and leading more car oriented lives, it could even increase transportation costs, as people saved money on housing by moving to a further out area, but end up needing a car for many non-commute trips. In France and most places* it is highly correlated to poverty and recent immigration status. And the metro did develop from a tram system as was once planned for the heavier Stadtbahns. I dont really know; admitting this makes me feel like one of those elites the Gilets Jaunes (and maybe Alon who had neither of these perks?) Or visit an exhibition, see a show, a sporting event etc. This is less of an issue on Commuter systems where its mostly the trains that get crush loaded, but revenue protection is even more important for them as fare levels are higher. WebHow do I write a TFL fare evasion out-of-court settlement letter? Broadly: smartcards/ticket machines that actually work and are easy to use, cleaner network/new trains/reliability and half-height barriers/visible staff will do ya. Which surprised quite a few people that night. R.H August (2018), I would definitely recommend BSB Solicitors. I suppose one possible rationale is that in other old, established countries most people consider their nation to be their ancestral home, and so resent interlopers (and contrive to keep them poor & marginalised), while in the New World, almost everyone knows they come from somewhere else in relatively recent history, and it is accepted norm that the new arrivals will quickly integrate just like all of us have done. E.g. Counter-productive user pays econo-rat bullshit. The cost burden of commuting is unevenly and unethically distributed amongst the beneficiaries of this utility. in Paris the faregates made crowd control worse in the World Cup victory celebrations. However, the large fare reductions to qualifying low-income riders are: a number of cities have used the same definition, namely Medicaid eligibility, and give steep discounts for bikeshare systems. (The metro area mode shares are 43% and 30% respectively, but Ile-de-France has 240 annual rail trips per capita and Metro New York has about 100.). Excellent services. FA November 2020, Wonderful experience. Ive had fare inspection before on a 1 am commuter train out of Paddington before. Despite your notions, the planners in HK and Singapore etc are prioritising the transit aspects with financial performance being secondary. Intuitively most of the induced extra trips, in a monthly fee, rather than pay per usage system, will be very short trips, that are easily substituted by walking or biking. So you need to LOOK like youre going after the habituals. Their policy may be concrete before electronics/operations, but much of the city isnt even close to any concrete. Occasionally there is political lobbying and we did have at least one trial at one station. Its a valid debate to have and a valid stance to have. Two years ago, BART announced that it would supplement its fare barriers with proof-of-payment inspections, done by armed cops, and lied to the public about the prevalence of such a belts-and-suspenders system. They simply DO NOT BELIEVE fares apply to them because it is so easy to do. To you and others, it seems to be narrowly econometric efficiency and my experience is that it is anathema to passenger experience or satisfaction, and not least to the ease and functionality of transit in a big city. CNRS/INSERM or something similar, a Fondation). Im not sure if there is the same DWB (Driving While Black) phenomenon? I would highly recommendBSB Solicitors and I am extremely grateful for alltheir help on resolving this situation so quickly. Fares arent the only source of revenue for the MTA; the system also earns money from tolls, taxes, government subsidies, and advertisements. MS (July 2017), I would like to place on record my sincere thanks for the highly professional and thorough service that I received from BSB Solicitors. The governor is proposing to spend more on fare enforcement than the MTA can ever hope to extract. worst., So ALL you can do with habituals is catch them doing it and (where possible) fine em or throw the law at them. And incidentally I totally reject your repeated assertion that low fares, or flat fares, to the outer zones of big cities, encourages sprawl, because it does the opposite (it will encourage TOD around the stations) and is much more likely to entice them out of their cars. But speaking of this year begins the process of contracting out some RER lines to private management, seemingly driven by right-winger Valerie Pecresse. In the West inevitably it is exploited until the pips squeak . And of course worse service. Charging thousands of pounds per year but travellers being forced to stand the entire (hour long) journey? Your everyone else is the minority, and just as with your earlier wrong assumption, they might be tempted by a monthly pass but under your scheme there wouldnt be any point. Slightly curiously Stockholm has faregates (as you certainly know). We offer face to face, telephone or video consultations to best advise you and help resolve the matter as quickly and efficiently as possible. BSB was my first choice when I faced the likelihood of prosecution after I failed to show a valid bus ticket when travelling in Central London. It boasts the worst record on significant lateness. A TFL fare evasion solicitor can intervene at this stage by writing a detailed letter of representation on your behalf, arguing that a prosecution would not be in the

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