Glocks, Sig Sauer, Smith and Wesson, Barretta, and many other makes are safe to carry chambered, They have . Risk vs benefit should ALWAYS be a part of this decision. I notice that you had to go look it up though. I submit never. which for them is unwise because it feels utterly unsafe to do so Of course theres a difference between driving and shooting. Human brains arent too sure of themselves, and if an expected result does not occur, our brain responds by doing the action again, just to make sure it did it the first time. I now have a Walther P99 (OK, Im a Walther fan). More bad advice, did the author not learn from his first mistake? Consider this, if everyone carried a weapon in condition 3, how many mass shootings would there be? It will go off. Farago sells out, the site gets taken over by snowflakes who spend every minute lining up sponsored content, and the content section gets taken over by trolls and vlads. Perhaps if someone drops their gun from two stories up and it lands muzzle down on somebodys head? Have you ever negligently ran a red light? Pretty soon, it became standard for guns to have a manual safety switch. Yes. Let's talk about wh. Haha. You always have time to do that. Is It Safe To Carry A Chambered Glock. Ammoland was intelligent enough to allow only one person to use a name at a time. * Hire someone who did it on other blogs. Hmm that give away means youre at least in your 60s bordering on senility. Agreed. Even though everyone who has ever used and examined a SA revolver can easily see that the firing pin is ALWAYS in contact with the primer when the hammer is down, if the chamber under it has a round in it?, And, again, absolutism that is far too easy to refute. The trick is training is to do the right thing; doing the wrong thing is still training, just training the do the wrong thing. OFC, there are those that only want to own one gun. Thats why the old timers carried them on an empty chamber. Im not interested in Israeli carry of a firearm. Its part of being human. Do other people carry Glocks in IWB holsters with chambered rounds? More : Glocks are safe to carry with a loaded chamber as long as they are carried in a . Empty chamber carry is dumb. I really would like to know if theres a response to my comments. If you did not realize the design is dangerous, you would not have spent so much time belaboring the obvious. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'guntradition_com-leader-2','ezslot_6',115,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-leader-2-0');All this comes from an old incident within the New York City Police Department. Nor with his next, more significant error, suggesting that floating or inertial firing pin guns (like a 1911) ARE drop safe with a round in the chamber, even though all such firearms with a round in the chamber WILL fire if dropped on their muzzle? Ive been carrying mine daily for five years and will continue to carry it as long as I can. Please consider creating a . What I want then is a big bang noise when I pull the trigger, and not much else. The full magazine has ten rounds, and the "+1" is the round that is in the chamber. Ok, maybe youre taking off your holster and you drop the whole dang thing on the floor. Even though they dont have safety, Glocks are not prone to negligent discharge and are completely safe to carry when done properly. I think the controversy is whether or not a loaded magazine with an empty chamber constitutes an unloaded gun. Folks need to do what they are comfortable with though. At Incognito Concealment, we're confident we have the right holster for you. I carry a single action 1911. Of course, when I was a soldier, I listened to guys who had been there. I may not have the time to chamber a round if a BG is close enough. De nada. For my "duty firearm", I carry a Glock Mod 22 Gen 4 (.40 S&W cal.). Since its a bookmark and not a save, it will go there and update to the latest info. Yep, if you havent actually ever been in a gunfight before you can shut the f#*k up about what or how I carry. Or some jackass was pocket carrying his G43 without a holster and something snagged the trigger. If you are a dumb person who cannot immediately see why it is dumb, go to Youtube and watch dumb people like you dying in a hail of bullets while they struggle with the slides on their unchambered guns. The Glock series of semi-automatic pistols features Glock's Safe Action System and a loaded chamber indicator.The Safe Action System comprises three passive safeties. YouTube it. I carry a 5 shot .357 magnum revolver a good deal of the time. That was a few years ago now. If youre going to do something like defend yourself with a firearm. You might like it. Victoria: One or two chances to mess up with an empty chamber, but thousands (or hundreds of thousands) of chances to ventilate your own leg while taking a piss. In meantime, happy to train Israeli carry and take the tragedy buffer. One of the interesting things about that is I can (after clearing) dry fire repeatedly and get a rough visual about how much the aim point moves depending on my grip and finger position. It wont matter if the slide is in battery or not. 1911s are traditionally carried empty chamber (probably a bad idea) or cocked and locked: hammer cocked and slide mounted safety engaged. Glocks are designed with internal safety features to prevent accidental discharge. I know some people , maybe most people , will be just fine carrying a Glock with a loaded chamber , but all the reasons people give for not are not 100% wrong either . Stop all AR-15 and AR-10 calibers with this RTS Tactical level 3+ Armor Kit. Knowing how impossible that is, Im NOT one of those. Glock G21 439. at Guns.com. Glock originally designed the gun with an exposed hammer and their marketing agent said are you joking no one in their right mind would buy such an unsafe weapon because they can see that the hammer is cocked back. A 2A focused forum that patronizes a troll like VLAD is as questionable as the NRA in its current form. That is a good point that I have never heard before. And therefore only idiots use it. Again, though, training is the answer. Running this way I am even more vigilant about how I handle the gun. Yes - I always carry with a round chambered. (Take that, NYPD!) Use whatever gun you want. Am I being silly? I help equip people with knowledge and skills so they can be safe and effective with firearms. Several years ago I read an article (I think it was Masaad Ayoob) detailing about a half dozen cases were cops had their guns taken away from them by perps and the perps couldnt figure out how to manipulate the safeties, saving the cops lives. You have entered an incorrect email address! @ mark s: +1 here. Some might even have second strike capability, which is the real holy grail. If you cant train yourself to keep your finger off the trigger until you have made the decision to shoot any gun is dangerous in your hands. They didnt know. And unlike Mad, I DO make mistakes. Unfortunately, some may not and I have no idea which do and which do not. I have kids, but they have been taught that if it can go bang assume it will if the trigger is touched. this aint 1902 with a Colt .38 Long primitive revolver and you probably aint riding a horse in pursuit of cattle thieves. I would like to carry at the ready, but doing so really gives me the heebie-jeebies. Of course an ND is user error, but why is the gun designed to make that error likely? The problem is not with the Glock trigger, the problem is a lack of training on the part of the operator. Ever. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, troubleshooting, accessories, classifieds, and more! Its like arguing Android is better than iOS. And, it actually impeded officers ability to hit a target. Um, Smith & Wesson doesnt use a transfer bar, they use a hammer block. Personally I dont just carry for my own personal defense, but also the defense of my country, my comrades and other citizens. Its your right to be retarded. I would hope that all semi-auto handguns have some sort of striker/firing-pin block that absolutely prevents detonation from dropping the pistol. Or ya know, apply the tried by 12 or carried by 6 rule. gun owner would not have a clue on how the gun actually worked or how dangerous it was to handle and carry because what a Moron cannot see a Moron does not fear. Momentum and all. Which raises the question: How tough can it possibly be to fix? It can also affect the speed at which the weapon fires. Boy, that must be realllll nice. Too big, to heavy although I can cock the hammer on the draw with no problem (passive firing pin models). The overall size of this firearm is much smaller and that shows with a barrel length of 3.43 inches and a slide length of 6.26 inches. I also felt the same way. And so it is when carrying a Glock as well. Wait a second, so youre telling me that I shouldnt keep my home defense gun in condition 3 but instead have it in condition 1 and put it in a lock box? I left it in my series 80, but a gunsmith can easily remove it if desired. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'guntradition_com-box-4','ezslot_7',110,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-box-4-0');Some people are nervous about Glocks because they heard one rumor or another about them. You rotate the cylinder halfway between the nipples and lower the hammer on the carry notch. Yes Sir I do and the ones scattered in the house also. Jul 18, 2010. Sounds a lot like a problem created by attorneys to have something to sue over, doesnt it? Since the pin must have considerable energy to fire the primer charge, and then must expend that energy quickly through a sudden stop, it really doesnt matter, because the available object to provide the sudden deceleration needed to drive the pin into the round is almost certainly going to be the ground, and the round must be in line with the inertia, which, if provided by gravity instead of the firearm itself, must be downwards. the number of people out there who keep a single-action revolver as a home defense. After all, this aint Dodge City and you aint Bill Hickok. SOME of these guns (Ruger, Rough Rider, IWI, Freedom Arms, Linebaugh) have transfer bar safeties and thus can be carried fully loaded. Barnum should have said, There is a Moron born every minute so I guess I will have to say it for him. The hammer snagged on a branch, and he shot his horse (he was twisted by the tree). Granted, is loading a pistol, a shotgun or a rifle the most complicated thing in the world? Of course, I do concede you point, it just that it brought Monty Python to mind and I improvised from there. Whats a fleshlight? No wait . Some people were never meant to have a handgun I suppose. I carry locked, loaded with a extra clip close by. Many of us brought this issue up at the time Farago sold out. And the latter is where a Glock is dangerous as is *any* other firearm. Glock developed their patented Safe Action System which will not allow the gun to be fired without a finger on the trigger and a dedicated trigger pull. "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." You just have to scroll down to it. Have you ever negligently failed to check your blind spot and cut someone off on the freeway? Just old school geeze, too used to doing the hard chit the same way, but it worked for me. The Glock handgun is the favored pistol of law enforcement agencies worldwide. That makes a takeaway more likely to succeed if attempted. With hammer fired guns, we have more options to prevent guns from accidently firing. 2. That scenario is at least as plausible as a robbery. That photo of the safe is cute, if completely patronizing to those who make the kids argument. Learn your own weapon and try not to drop it, the last thing you do might be a good catch. Ive said it once, Ill say it again. Big thing, its hammer fired and its also DA/SA, so I have no problem with chambering a round and lowering the hammer. Correct. In the past, I've heard people say they aren't comfortable carrying a loaded firearm on them or want to just scare people away. Why You Should Keep One Bullet in the Chamber. Modern revolvers (Smith & Wesson, Taurus, Ruger, Kimber) have transfer bar safeties and as such theres no need to mention it.. If I was gona carry an empty gun Id carry a full sized 1911, that way if I had to throw it at somebody it would weigh enough to hurt when it him them. I think the Glock leg argument is kinda straying off into another argument, that could be a good idea for its own article. Glock claims that this translates into longer pistol longevity as well as better accuracy overall. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[336,280],'guntradition_com-large-mobile-banner-2','ezslot_5',119,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-large-mobile-banner-2-0');The danger comes from dangerous gun handling and not following safe gun handling rules. But still a nice catch. Safe and ready when I am. The Glock Gen 4 and Gen 5 models have actually ended up being popular with civilians and self-defense shooters alike. I used to carry a Walther PPQ. No safety needs to include a stiff, lengthy trigger pull, like the LC9, or a DA revolver. An unchambered gun is a dangerous, useless-to-you half measure. What is wrong with such ones is that they get a nice, warm, mushy, feeling of superiority over others by putting them down. Discharge during take down? And make sure when you holster or unholster that the holster is clear of obstructions. ADs by glockinstine operators usually are extracting their golden goose with or wit out a pocket holster, by placing their finger, as so many comments referred to above, on the trigger upon extraction. Actually I carry a revolver, which is 1000% better at typical bad breath self defense ranges than an AR and 100% better than a semi-auto pistol that will get pushed out of battery on a contact shot. As for kids, had 3 daughters, all knew all weapons were loaded, all were shooting bb guns by 5, learned safety and marksmanship, and by ten, the oldest could out shoot me with the Smith 9mm semi, steel. But it used to work fine, a year or so before that. Hmaag [CC BY-SA 3.0], via Wikimedia CommonsTodays revolvers have a flat hammer. Have you ever tried carrying your bolt action on a loaded round with the striker down? this aint Dodge city and you aint Bill Hickok Blam, Blam,Blam! Shorten that to GLOCKTOPIA! So when does your Glock actually have a likely chance of discharging in those two most common klutz behaviors while handling a firearm? Picture if I was to just strike a primer laying on a hard surface, with a hand held hammer, manually. . Someone with little firearms experience who feels over confident in his/her carry technique is more likely to find him/herself in trouble. . All I get is replies that they are working on it. Also, had a KelTec with a pocket clip, no holster, ever, and a Glock 40 with a clip draw, and you just need the brains to have nothing else in your carry pocket, and you wont have an issue. This also means that if the firing pin somehow gets enough inertia to hit the primer, from some other source than the hammer (whatever that source might be), and then the round in front of the pin suddenly ceases motion, the firing pin will continue forward into the round anyway, no matter what the hammer, trigger, barrel, or etc, do. A lot of guns, particularly the early revolvers, were considered too dangerous to carry with a loaded chamber . Carrying a Glock 26 or 27 in "conditon 1" (chambered) is comparable to carrying a loaded S&W Jframe revolver. Training is nothing more than repetition. Ammoland eh? And I include all the copy cat weapons as well as they are as common as the common cold. PS: I have never had an ND with my EDC G23 chamber loaded these past 22 years. Almost as good as a ball peen hammer. I have done special work to lighten my trigger and its still not very touchy. Wonder why guns are the most logical option? So you think youre perfect look in the mirror clown I am not trying to get an A here I really wonder if you can shoot at all like getting rounds on the target I think I hurt your feelings again wha what wha. Weight: 22.9 oz. Ive done this quite a bit when rabbit hunting. Still chambered in 9mm, the G19 measures 7.28-inches in total length. I just grabbed a shirt from the laundry pile. The SAA was designed to be carried fully loaded with the hammer back on the first notch. Other sites have no problem getting notifications to work NOW. Are Glocks Safe To Carry Chambered. https://patents.google.com/patent/US5724759A/en. The Glock Model 48 slimline 9mm is a state-of-the-art fighting pistol with a small grip frame any cop can master. Here's video that GLOCK produced that explains the trigger safety. Its an unnatural, metallic noise that spooked him instantly, and I missed the snap shot at a running target, and he was gone. The first Glock safety that you will interact with is the trigger safety, which takes the form of a spring-loaded lever located in the center of the trigger. so the theory still stands, if you dont want a negligent discharge, dont be negligent. 1:43:08-1:43:32. Because that argument is stupid in the first place, because the entire discussion is about *carrying* not about whether you should carry. So instead of just grabbing said gun from the night stand and chambering a round, I should keep it loaded and put it in a lock box so that I can fumble around with a tiny key and try and put it in a tiny hole in the dark? Is A Glock Safe To Carry Chambered. You hit the nail on the head with "comfortable", but that is subjective. Trigger Safety. He also runs his own Gun Blog and YouTube Channel. There are more and complicated details about the Israeli attitude (prohibition) of self-defense, but the point is that the Israeli system may work for the IDF, but not for you. Second Amendment to the US Constitution, "Get yourself a Glock and lose that nickel plated sissy pistol." Two motions will always be quicker than four, unless one can somehow arrange to do all four simultaneously. Negligence or stupidity, flip the coin on word choice. But otherwise it still is a pretty good gunfight scene. Empty chamber is one option, but there are others. OFC, most people would rather just follow the herd, but that isnt reasonable, logical, nor wise. Mr. Hoober, the only quibble I have with this article is the assumption that people only have a (as in singular) home defense gun. But now I get 18! So lets just say its a personal choice and your way isnt better than mine, but I will never accidently shoot my leg or foot. Since I do not carry(Los Angeles County), my handguns are ready very quickly. But unlike the Shield Plus, the Equalizerlike the Shield EZis a single-action as opposed to striker-fired pistol. Training happens every time we do something, no matter if its shooting, driving, or eating. When the handgun is retrieved, the mag is shoved in and the gun is ready to fire. Back in the old days of guns, they didn't really have any safety at all. I carry all my guns chambered. Lets talk about the internal safety features and the facts of why Glocks are great handguns.Jordy Bucks well worn Glock 20 is carried daily. So that argument is irrelevant. I dont expect hardware (or software) to compensate for a persons stupidity, as opposed to the opinion of many other people who think it should. Glocks have a blade in the trigger that is very light so that if the pistol is dropped, the inertia of the fall will not pull the trigger ( as the pistol is partially cocked). Personally, I have several, ranging from BP revolvers to modern SA and DA revolvers & semi-auto pistols, to rifles and shotguns. Glockster20. When carrying the gun in a holster, the grip safety will keep the gun from discharging, even if the . In non service activities, all occurred either nearly cheek to cheek, face to face, or less than 3 ft. when chit went south, and it happens so fast, Id bet few if any pro operators could rack then stack em Check out this post which is one of the most popular of all time. You know, due to the stress of OH MY GOD SOMEONES BREAKING INTO THE HOUSE AND HES GOT A GUN! Guess what? The Glock take down system is an accident waiting to happen and happen it does all the time. Want to vent about something? And being that I am a Veteran the simple act of 1 second as I draw is a negligible amount of time just like the BS of you can only have a 10 round magazine but you can carry as many magazines as you like try it one day drop a mag change it takes less than 3 seconds. Youd figure Colt would have gotten with the program by now and made the SAA with a transfer bar. Hell, Colt still makes the Single Action Army. It is completely safe if you take the proper precautions. I also like the guy getting thrown across the ally when he gets hit with both barrels of the shotgun through those 3/4 boards, but even better is when the same happens from a .45 Colt round. Ehall my pistolas are chambered with the safety engaged-at home. In my experience, here in MS, a great many people have a great many home defense firearms of various descriptions. Apparently the last time it worked. 4) In such a rush and excitement even in a holster such as the case in Florida the police officer shot himself and the wall in a school and was clearly not in fear or stressed, so in all counts safety and training cause in the heat of the moment you may grab fast and shoot yourself. Or remembering faulty? Good on you guys for responding here. People who carry them are so rare that I felt like it wasnt worth mentioning, and Im probably still right. Ho Hum, Well written Its your right to self defense. The chamber under the hammer of any carried revolver is *irrelevant* for the first shot, since cocking the hammer of an SA or pulling the trigger on a DA advances the next chamber to the firing position. As someone from MS you gotta tell me where this full auto shoot was. Yes. It could easily tuck into a nightstand safe or tossed into a range bag. . I have pocket carried for years, mostly using a clip such as a clip draw on my SIG 938, hammer down, safety on, round chambered. I doubt it. OK , Ill bite this time , I let it pass the first (hundredth) time , but Im all in now . When you carry, do you keep it chambered or do you keep it unchambered so you'd have to actually chamber your gun when you need to use it? Nope. A few weeks went by & I realized I was safe. That carries over to shooting, believe it or not. It has a safety, but I dont really care about that. When I was a lot younger, I was riding horses with some friends. I dont know how high Id have to go to get it to ignite, but I figure Im never going to carry my piece 8+ off the floor, (seeing as how thats the height of most ceilings). When all else fails eat a mucho big bowl of butter beans and a hand full of BBs that should put a whole new meaning to Kiss my a$$. to all you sanctimonious what iffers and self styled know it alls out there: Bet you still get stabbed. It takes a dedicated squeeze of the finger. Either you will practice with chambered, or chamber empty. A Glock is a reputable brand name of pistols, and the weight of the trigger pull can mean the difference in between a firearm firing and not shooting. So you have no quibble with the line; If dropped, the hammer could contact the primer and therefore, fire., in relation to SA revolvers? What an idiot libtard if you have a gun you get good at handling it stay with your BB gun, Mad says, What an idiot libtard if you have a gun you get good at handling it stay with your BB gun. If you forget to check the chamber just one time in you life its Sayounara . Theres simply no point in carrying an unloaded gun. I have a Sig DA/SA, fully loaded no problem. Like a handgun, the defensive long gun should be secured in a safe or one of the wall-mounted quick-access locks. Why would you do that more in a Glock than in *any other firearm*? For 1911s, the danger is similar if you carry hammer down on a loaded chamber though I dont know why any somewhat intelligent person would do so. I always wanted to see in a western someone who knew he was about to get into a gunfight slip that 6th round into his Colt SAA. Some militaries wanted to normalize carrying a pistol or rifle with a loaded chamber for obvious reasons, but they ran into some of these same issues on old guns. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/the-truth-about-6-5mm-ammo/ It is also the choice of many Canadian cops services. 1 - 20 of 30 Posts. Carry it in your home in the holster you're going to use in public, without a round in the chamber, but with the striker in the ready position or "cocked" and see if you have an issue with the trigger being pulled. Question: If it lands on its muzzle could it not go out-of-battery? Second, they also trained. If all you do at the range is stand there at the bench, pick up your gun, lock the slide, insert the magazine, and press the slide stop to send the slide forward, then get on target to shoot, you're not training yourself right. Ive been known to knock over a glass of milk , spill my coffee down my chin , have people toot their horn at me from time to time , you get my point . Or a DA/SA auto. First much like the Israelis Fairbairn and Sykes had to teach officers how to carry safely in a manner that got them street-ready quickly. Is it just something one has to get used to? In order to fire, the pin needs to be hit hard enough to continue forward, past the point of contact with the hammer, and then into the primer. For that matter, I dont take seriously anyone who carries a revolver for self-defense. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. While I believe training is the answer, its not just fingers that are the problem. The gun is DA/SA, so the first shot is a long pull on the trigger, but I routinely practice it, so Im OK with it. So in 2019, are you telling a revolver carrier to carry only 4 bullets instead of five?? The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. I learned to drive on the streets of San Francisco with a van as a teenager when my mom wanted me to drive her around. There are also the safety concerns . Descriptions: Glocks are safe to carry with a loaded chamber as long as they are carried in a decent holster that completely covers the trigger. Or even sex. This subject is DOA just like the OP. All previous exp., was with 1911s my Uncle names Sam loaded me, and the pipe was always warm n cuddly. Note, the sentry safe does have a security vulerablity that can be mitigated by covering a hole with stainless steel tape. Carry chambered ever since. Both have pros and cons the secret is you must be well versed to bringing your gun up to the level of lethal quickly. Much the less wish to discuss the merits of hammer mounted versus frame mounted firing pins, or the S&W design of using a rebound slide instead (my favorite design). My Glock 23 is fully loaded, and no problems at all, even with the 3.5 connector in it that lightens the trigger pull a bit. That connected to the trigger, which only dropped out of the way when the trigger was fully pressed. Well, technically, you could also just not drop them I suppose. Place your loaded, chambered G19 into the holster (not attached to your belt). and so as to keep continuity in their mindset they keep that same gun on the headboard at night with no round in the chamber so that there wont be any confusion Firearm experts, including myself, consider the design completely safe and dependable. Didnt fire..interesting. But my Glock has an empty chamber. Weve beaten this dead horse enough. In a prima facie, on-paper, in-theory sense, thats true. The practice of empty chamber carry continued with the introduction of magazine-fed, semi-automatic pistols. Good luck!!!!! All the out of battery safeties do is, in one way or another, block the hammer from providing that energy to the pin until the gun is fully locked into battery. I thought I counted 17 in the battle scene in Open Range. If you can have a momentary lapse of judgement handling a half million ft/lbs you could certainly have one while handling 350. Doesnt come into play until youve already fired 5 times. The IDF has quit carrying with a round chambered. The name's Jordan, but friends call me Jordy. Does the Glock fire then? Theyre both safe and useful within their own parameters, and people are free to choose the one they prefer. The NRA store version is about $50+ for the small size. Will again once they are old enough to figure out crapping ones pants is a bad idea. . This would require the grip safety to be disabled (a somewhat common modification) or to malfunction.

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