What have I raised? Even after he broke into a car and stole stuff, there was no monitoring of his time spent making pipe bombs or firing guns or playing video games that glorified killing. When I hear this "We never knew a thing was wrong with our child!" What a twat. Dylan Klebold had been accepted by the University of Arizona and planned to attend this fall. Shocking crime scene photos explode the myths and reveal shocking details! Jesus, what a loathsome pair of people. Ridiculous. His mom was trying to find the best fit for him, but I suspect it ended up being more difficult for him), and both enjoyed violent video games. "Susan said, came when somebody said, "I forgive you for what you've done." I read a book about young doctors and they were discussing whether you can teach compassion. Most of you posters here are complete idiots and voiceofthenight is the biggest moron of them all. Oprah asked the teachers to describe Harris/Klebold, the teachers talked about how they didn't fit in, wore trenchcoats, seemed troubled and dangerous, and so on. I seem to remember them being called "fag.". Tonight, an interview with Sue Klebold, Dylan's mother, is set to air on the ABC news-magazine . In the days after Dylan Klebold along with Eric Harris shot and killed 12 students and one teacher and then himself at Columbine High School on April 20, 1999, his mother, Sue Klebold, remembered . It is also true that environmental stimuli can make the difference between a kid with "problems" and a kid who becomes a "monster." The Klebolds attorney, Gary Lozow, told The Denver Post the Klebolds had no plans to grant any other interviews. Sociopaths who undergo training often use that training to fake being normal in order to better manipulate people. So we're back to Pavlov and Skinner. Sue and her husband were vehemently opposed, but Dylan still asked for a gun for Christmas his final year. There was a creepy thread started by a sociopathic OP a couple of weeks ago where this was discussed. This girl went on screaming for full minutes at a time - nobody came out of the house and told her to be quiet. Dylan Klebold. There are a lot more R&V followers out there than you would think. What I am saying is that the cause is something deeper and more primal than "society.". Posted February 7, 2011. When you think about it, in his journals he didn't have too much positive to say across the board. Dylan's mother, Sue Klebold, confirmed to radio host Terry Gross on "Fresh Air" Tuesday that she is Jewish, and her now ex-husband, Dylan Klebold's father, is Lutheran, and said her son . Hail Reb &VoDka!!!!!!!!! I've linked an article from Nature magazine about it. It's always about management. Bartol, C. R., & Bartol, A. M. (2017). I recently watched the documentary Raising Adam Lanza, and, though it wasnt as detailed, there were some interesting overlaps between Adam and Dylan. I think we can value Sue's words more than Dylan's words in this one. Good-bye. Bit of a warning, it's a PDF file. Ten years after the Columbine killings, the Harris family has not spoken publicly at all, and the Klebold parents have given one interview, to the columnist David Brooks here at the New York Times. The Klebolds stayed, at least as of 2004. I'm sure they still live in Columbine and are active in many community functions, especially the PTA. They are rare. Yesterday there was a girl in her backyard screaming like an insane person at somebody or something. His father was a geophysicist and a mother worked with the disabled . Dylan was also drinking at the end of his life, likely complicating his mental health issues, though had once said that marijuana was a waste of time and so perhaps wasnt involved in drugs. Sue received a number of letters from people whod gone to Columbine who were more surprised that a shooting hadnt happened sooner than that one had happened at all. It wasnt accepted.. "I just don't know how something that is so basic as how the brain works is something that can be treated with therapy.". I just wanted to apologize to you guys for any crap this might instigate as far as (inaudible) or something. AAron Ontiveroz/the Denver Post via Getty Images When it came to intervention, these people had no idea what they should have been doing. He deflates a lot of myths surrounding the event. Betty Shoels, Isaiah's aunt, said that "her 18-year-old nephew was a fun-loving athlete who was always smiling, despite feeling out of place as one of the school's few African-American students." . Tom is a geophysicist, Sue works with handicapped people. A few weeks ago, I reviewed Sue Klebolds memoir A Mothers Reckoning: Living in the Aftermath of Tragedy, about her experience as the mother of Dylan Klebold, one of the Columbine High School shooters. Yes, it's the fifth anniversary of when you met your partner and you go out to dinner and somebody's child is relentlessly screaming throughout dinner that's fine. She's spent years excavating every detail of her family life, trying to understand what she could have done to prevent her son's violence. Most shouldn't have ever been parents in the first place. According to a report in the Denver Rocky Mountain News, the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office was supplied with evidence a year ago that "Eric . I've met members in USA, UK, Norway, Sweden,Germany,Brazil, Chile, Ireland, India and the Bahamas. I shudder to think what kind of excuses you make for YOUR spawn's horrific behavior, R62. Sue Klebold with son Dylan in 1985. Credit: Sue Klebold via Penguin/Random House Tall, slim and graceful (her younger son was a gangly 193 centimetres tall), she is given to direct eye contact . Dylans parents were hands-on parents who limited the intake of television and sugary cereals. Im horrified, Dawn Anna, whose daughter Lauren Townsend was killed at Columbine, told The Associated Press. However, there is credible, tangible, measurable, and repeatable evidence that there are some people, for whatever reason, have their brains wired differently. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Just know I'm going to a better place. . From what we cam tell, the Harris family took a laissez-faire attitude towards Eric. Susan Francis Klebold was born on March 25, 1949, to Milton Yassenoff and Charlotte Yassenoff. And then later on, how was he able to conceal his mental state so successfully? They were not the mainstream group. How are parents supposed to know everything that goes on in their children's minds? In April 1981, Harris was born in Wichita, Kansas. I knew he was off, different. After-hours phone calls to Times officials were not returned, and Brooks did not immediately respond to an e-mail request for comment. (Video) My son was a Columbine shooter. Harris was a "budding psychopath, a person without a conscience," he said. Maybe that's what I find so scary about the whole thing, that there are people who walk around, every day, and are completely lacking in everything that I thinks makes us human. Dylan Bennett Klebold. Not only had Dylan experienced bullying in school, his school fit some of the factors that meant it was most at risk for a shooting by ignoring certain behaviors and otherwise unevenly enforcing the rules. Ignore them. The glaring one that Americans seem unable to see is the huge amount of available weapons in the US. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris opened fire at the suburban Denver school on April 20, 1999, killing 13 people before taking their own lives. He was easy to raise, a pleasure to be with, a child who had always made us proud (Klebold, 2016, p. 61). Kids hide things. Brian Rohrbough, father of victim Daniel Rohrbough, said he was outraged that the Klebolds . Ericx92s parents knew their son was no angel x97 he broke into a van, he was found making pipe bombs and setting them off for fun x97 and they took steps to address this. ", Eric: (shrugs) "My parents might have made some mistakes that they weren't really aware of. ", [quote]Eric: "Morris, Nate, if you guys live, I want you guys to have whatever you want from my room and the computer room.". It's getting late; Eric looks at his watch and says it's 1:28 AM on March 15. The deadliest school shooting in the United States was the Virginia Tech massacre, with 33 fatalities and 23 injuries. Dylan Klebold, along with his friend Eric Harris, shot and killed 13 people and injured 23 others in April, 1999 in Columbine High School, before they turned their guns on . 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If someone read my journals as a teen, youd assume my Mom and I would have killed each other by now, but now we are pretty close. And now she won't show it. Dylan: (predicting his parents' feelings of regret) "If only we could have reached them sooner, or found this tape. Goodbye. When he heard reports of gunmen in trench coats rampaging through Columbine High, it's reported, that Thomas Klebold (the father of Dylan) contacted authorities, because he suspected his son might be involved and offered his help as a negotiator.. I know my mom and dad will be just like.. just fucking shocked beyond belief. He was one of the teens behind the Columbine High School Massacre in 1999. What is something of a mystery to me is why things reached the point they did. Ten years after the Columbine killings, the Harris family has not spoken publicly at all, and the Klebold parents have given one interview, to the columnist David Brooks here at the New York Times. Its exactly people like you that caused this massacre to happen in the first place. They made sure to know who their kids were spending time with, and made sure they knew and felt that they were loved. She is the author of A Mother's Reckoning, a book about the signs she missed of Dylan's mental state. VOTN needs to get a clue. There's a blurb on the back flap comparing the book to Helter Skelter and In Cold Blood, and I thought that was just kind of typical PR purple mumbo-jumbo. His father was an Air Force pilot, and moved him and his . That's the first thing. . its hard to take anything a grieving parents says objectively and we can of course have compassionate understanding for that but also realise it may differ from the reality of the situation, which must be painful. "American Tragedy" premieres at the Boston Film Festival on Thursday at 7 p.m. I guess it's my generation. Dylan adds that they can have his things as well. Even if they had friends doesn;t mean they were popular or well-liked generally. Has anyone seen it who can comment? crap, that is what I think of. The couple took issue with people who say they forgive them for what happened. It is absolutely the parents vault. And it wasnx92t because they werenx92t around. Don't believe me? ". The Columbine story was recently remade, with some editorial changes, as The Hottie and the Nottie starring Paris Hilton. Everyone ones there to be one systemic cause, one thing that failed, to point to and say "there, that's why this happened." I'm sure they have given depositions but I don't think those were ever made public. He overslept and missed a class and was sleeping when I got home. He lays bare the callous brutality of mastermind Eric Harris and the quavering, suicidal Dylan Klebold, who went to the prom three days earlier and obsessed about love in his journal. I honestly do believe (and so does mom) that his brain has been rewired primarily by a head injury he sustained when he was just toddling. His parents knew this, though not the extent of it. I wanted a contribution to help us understand why it happened, so that it would never happen again. The parents of Columbine killers Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold have often been portrayed as disengaged from the lives of their sons and unaware of the dark paths lying ahead. Not to cure it, to manage it. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. On a calendar entry dated the day of the attack, April 20, the time 11:10 is written across the top an approximate reference to when Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold pulled out their weapons . Dylan Klebold (Dylan Bennet Klebold) was born on 11 September, 1981 in Lakewood, Colorado, United States, is a 20th century American mass murderers. This was murder, he said. But she came to realize the truth was far more troubling. It is actually a lot of conformist bunk to serve the status quo. I'm a true follower of Reb &VoDka. I think that even I have sustained some slight rewiring from that, though not anywhere *near* to the extent of my brother's. Andreas Lubitz, Adam Lanza, Dylan Klebold and Anders Breivik (from left to right) On the second . With these many, many factors in mind, I turn to A Mothers Reckoning. Do you think Dylans dad could embarrass him as a child in front of other people or humiliate him in other ways that could result in Dylans low self esteem or was Dylan naturally shy? Dang, I'm unemployed and I wanted to watch today's Oprah about Columbine. Posted 3 years ago . Focus on the mental. Or it's everything. He became more paranoid, forcing them all to flee a McDonalds because he believed a group of teens on the other side of the store were laughing at him. No one could control him. [quote]I think he made only one phone call to a recruiter. I've always felt sorry for Dylan, who seemed so lost and depressed. They often have an interest in guns and weapons, with easy access to firearms, and have often repeatedly made clear their violent intentions to others (usually peers). A 'Gentle Boy,' His Parents Told Investigators, Klebold Was Enrolled in an Elementary School Program for High Intellectual Potential Students. I'm not saying that there's no guilt, no responsibility, because no matter how our brains are wired, we're all creatures of free will and able to make moral choices, but to lay everything at the feet of society, or the parents, or the school, is way, way too simple. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold are once more in the family room of the Harris home. Born: 4-9-1981. Any pix of the monster creators? He and his partner Dylan Klebold were responsible for the Columbine High School massacre (1999). Children learn psychopathy from their parents (e.g., the Bushes). I do find it odd that you'd characterise your 17 year old son as your 'best friend' anyway, you're his father. It is actually a lot of conformist bunk to serve the status quo. Did Harris or Klebold have any siblings? What kind of parent lets their kid have a swastika prominently displayed in their room (as just one of many, many signs that their offspring had problems)? , What was the deadliest school shooting? If they had even one shred of decency they would have taken full responsibility for creating and shaping and not monitoring these monsters. Eric's also wearing a plaid shirt that's either dark blue or black with white, with a white t-shirt on underneath. Dylan seems to have been a very unhappy person. Tom Klebold said they hope to understand someday why the shooting happened. Serious victim mentality with both of them. . Dylan (Klebold) did not do this because of the way he was raised, Susan Klebold told columnist David Brooks in Saturdays editions of The New York Times. Dylan is wearing a black baseball cap on backward, exposing a "B" embroidered in white on the back of the hat - the Boston Red Sox logo. Find it interesting Tom would say he was Dylan's best friend. For a couple reasons. [quote]Did Harris or Klebold have any siblings? Very,very sad but not surprising.The majority of parents who have lost a child end up splitting up.No matter how much they loved each other or how strong of a relationship they had before the tremendous strain and grief is often too much to endure. i think he was also quoted saying that he had lost his best friend. Nothing taken care of that I needed him to do (like take care of the cats). . Wayne & Kathy Harris' son is widely seen as the . Sue (as both she and her son share the same surname, Im going to refer to them by their first names for the sake of clarity) begins by emphasizing that she and her husband, Tom, truly had no idea what Dylan was planning. I think he suffered horribly before he died, Susan Klebold said. Sue had no idea it was a life-and-death situation. "In the very . Here's what you need to know: 1. IE 11 is not supported. Other than that, we don't have much indication that Tom was anything other than a good father. I just don't get it. The bombing was planned for April 19th, to coincide with the Oklahoma bombing, but for some reason, they were set back to the 20th. Byron indicated the last time he saw Dylan was on their father's birthday. The pair . COLUMBINE HIGH SCHOOL massacre - WikiVidi Documentary. Teachers have no training in mental disorders or warning signs. Christ R22/R32/R39 et all. Reviews: 81% of readers found this page helpful, Address: Suite 369 9754 Roberts Pines, West Benitaburgh, NM 69180-7958, Hobby: Worldbuilding, Shopping, Quilting, Cooking, Homebrewing, Leather crafting, Pet. I want you to have that fly CD. : apparently tom was really hurt when 4/20 happened and grieved heavily because he felt like him and dylan were best friends, and had especially gotten closer in the months prior. Sorry if I can't be interested in something without arousing your ire. He has always been excessively cruel to animals (he even shot and killed his own dog because it barked), obsessed with weapons, "charmingly" manipulative of adults, a pathological liar, disdainful of other people and abusive to them and VERY quick to anger. I also agree with R7. I don't think I can categorize Dylan's relationship with his parents as bad or good, because Dylan was incredibly disturbed teen and clearly had a skewed perception of reality. it was probably dylan just being a snarky and sardonic person if the relationship had ever crumbled, or a classic father/son conflict. I encourage you to study the footage and reach out to others in the comments. His father Wayne was a U.S. Air Force transport pilot . Age : 36. Harris was born in Wichita, Kansas, but moved around frequently as a child due to his father's occupation in the United States Air Force, while Klebold was born and raised near Columbine. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were charged with theft, criminal mischief, and criminal trespassing for breaking into a van and . in CJ 725, Tagged: columbine, mass murderer, mental illness, school shootings. He was also very close friends with the killers. I can't help it. School shooters often show little attachment to their school. It would drive me insane to have my kids behave like that, but some people are utterly oblivious to the cacaphony and strife being caused by their children.