I have shot a few critters, including a tough South Texas Nilgai, and have been happy with the performance. Any listing you find for H-4895 can be modified by loading only 60 percent of the published minimum to create some very comfortable loads. The .358 Norma Mag. Somehow, years ago, I got the notion that it is not prudent to be opening the bolt face of a 700 from standard (270W) to magnum (358N). Its a decent cartridge, but American hunters just wont flock to it. I could get brass easy from each by forming parent cases, 308 and 30-06. Kali Parmley of Gun Dog Magazine talks to George Thompson from Benelli USA about the new features from the Benelli line in 2023. Im going to rule out short-range cartridges that have the power because theres no sense in making the shot more difficult than necessary. There was a time when I questioned the adequacy of the .270 for elk. With cast bullets, A-5744 and Trail Boss are usually the best choices, although H-4895 is a good powder for midvelocity hunting loads. From left: (1) .35 Remington, (2) .358 Winchester and (3) .358 Norma Magnum. of muzzle energy. when fired in a 7.5 pound rifle. .500 Nitro Express. Kynoch was a big producer of .350 ammo, but that has ceased in the recent past. The .35 (.358) caliber has never really gotten a serious toehold here, although the occasional item like the .35 Whelen, .350 Remington Magnum, or .358 Winchester roils the waters every now and again. Looking for previous installments of our "Behind the Bullet" series? An elk is bigger than anything most deer hunters have encountered, but theres still a variance; a cow for the freezer isnt much bigger than a very large deer, but a mature bull elk is different. It is very accurate, easy to carry and fast on the target. I have one, and I like it a lot. Heeding the advice of American friends, Kvale worked on what would become the .358 Norma Magnum. Frankly, I would not want to be without them. I took it to Texas in 1989 and decked a nilgai at about 90 yards. After ten years of not getting drawn I sold it it was too much gun for most of my hunting. with a 250-grain Oryx bullet-both with a 200-yd. Here the elk offers hunters an advantage because the vital zone, like body size, is at least twice that of any deer. Any desire to hunt African dangerous game with your medium bore? Mag.-all with a bigger, heavier bullet that will punch a bigger hole and penetrate deeper. Its still a fine choice, but I dont have a .338 right now. 358 Norma runs 250gr partitions at 2810 with Norma 204 powder. In the mid 70's I picked up a 358Norma. Compare the .308 Winchester and the .358 Winchester, which are based on the same case, and the .358 wins hands down. necked up to .35 caliber. None of this can be said for either the .338 Winchester Magnum or the .375 H&H. The .358 Norma established its reputation in high-end hunting rifles like this Schultz & Larsen Model 65DL. At the same time, it will do almost everything the .375 will but with vastly more versatility. It was predictable that the .356 Win. It is easy to forget that the .358 bore comes in an extremely varied range of twist rates from 1:16 to 1:12. Shaw rifle's 24-inch barrel.. Federal loads the 225-grain Trophy Bonded Bear Claw bullet with a muzzle velocity of 2600 f.p.s. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. But the .416 is certainly not the only cartridge to bear the Rigby surname; read the works of Walter Dalrymple Maitland Karamoja Bell, or Col. Jim Corbett and the .275 Rigbybetter known as the 7x57mm Mauserwill get all sorts of praise. Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. The .35-caliber cartridges usually top out at 250 grains, though if a 300-grain bullet at a slightly faster twist rate were employed, it would certainly be in the same class as the .375 Holland & Holland. 35 Whelen. The "U.S. Rifle, Caliber .30, Model of 1903," better-known as the M1903 Springfield, has become one of the most popular U.S. military small arms to collect. However, should a hunter who enjoys using cartridges that arent among the most popular find a rifle chambered for the .358 Norma Magnum? What keeps it alive? During the spring conservation order, you can hunt with outfitters from Arkansas to Saskatchewan. It shoots well and is light and easy to carry while hunting. However, the majority of American deer hunters dont live in elk country, but many dream of going elk hunting. Ill bet its been awhile since those cartridges have been seen in a hunting camp. Maybe I'll just get a 375 H+H instead of going the Norma route. These are elk cartridges, and as Jack Atcheson Jr. likes to say, the .338 numbs them. It is, as you say, a thumper. and .32 Rem. For a while Savage chambered it in the Model 99, and I am still looking for one I can afford. Barnes has a Vor-TX load with a 180-grain TSX bullet and a muzzle velocity of 2900 f.p.s. A 358Norma is a good fit for this action. The .358 in a bolt-action rifle with a good scope is as accurate as any hunting cartridge available. The Swedish firm of A.B. In any mass-production rifle, either the .375 or .338, or both, will be found as a standard chambering. Griffin & Howe developed the semiwildcat .350 G&H based on the .375 H&H case, as well as pioneering the .35 Whelen. This list gives some idea of the .358 Normas status today: Those rifles rarely seem to come on the market. So are the .350 Remington Magnum and .358 Norma Magnum. There are places where .22 centerfires are legal for elk. Got a nice .270 Win MTN Rifle donor 700. At 300 yds., the .358 Norma impacts only 0.96" lower than the .300 Win. Mag. It is a good choice for shooters who are very sensitive to recoil, since its free recoil energy is only about 4.5 ft. lbs. Ruger briefly chambered the M77 rifle in .35 Whelen. Its spawn, the .351 Winchester Self Loader, fared a little better, but it was never in danger of greatness. But in my experience, if you can cover that 300-yard window with confidence youre in good shape. Every time I use it I ask myself, Whats not to like? Beats me, but nobody liked it enough to keep it in production. Publisher, Kevin Steele is with Brett Marquardt from Streamlight Inc. discussing the new Streamlight Pro Tac 2.0, the latest edition in the Pro Tac series. I was wrong. Id mate it with a good 180-grain bullet, top it with a one-inch-tube scope (to save weight), and go elk hunting. Compare the Queen of the .35's, the .350 Remington Magnum--the original short (.308 length) magnum cartridge--with the new generation of short action magnums. Re: 35 whelen vs 358 norma mag vs 9.3 x 62, Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. With todays interest in long-range shooting, big scopes are in, but powerful scopes add weight. In both cartridges, versatility is limited more by the narrow range of bullets available than by any other factor. All Petersen's Hunting subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. Looking for previous installments of our "Behind the Bullet" series? Pet Loads and Handloader are registered trademarks of Wolfe Publishing Company. Todays Norma factory ammunition is loaded with the companys excellent bonded-core 250-grain Oryx. When chambered for cartridges such as the .243 Win., 6 mm Rem., .308 Win. To reach the .300 mark, youd need a 270-grain bullet (the North Fork and Woodleigh bullets come immediately to mind), but stabilization becomes an issue in the slower twists, and thats long been a problem in .35-caliber barrels. Particularly when you consider that every one of those newer short magnum cartridges burns more powder to achieve less killing power than the .350 Rem. and is probably a better deer and black bear cartridge at woods ranges than the more popular .30-30 Win. and is a good cartridge for hunting the thick woods for deer, hogs, black bear or even elk. That load actually produced 2825 f.p.s. The .35 Whelen is a necked up medium bore wildcat cartridge that was created by necking up a .30-06 Springfield case which is famously overpowered for the 30-caliber bullet it propels. Remington currently lists a Model 7 rifle with a 20-inch barrel; todays version of the 600 in .350 Rem. i have a 35 whelen and love it. in the Big Bore Model 94. From limited experience of loading for two different 358 Norma Magnum rifles (a Schultz & Larson Model 65 and a Custom Sako AV) I used to neck up new Winchester 338 Win. was introduced in 1955. Hornady has a Superformance load with a 200-grain SP at 2910 f.p.s. factory load is a 250-grain Oryx bullet listed with a muzzle velocity of 2723 f.p.s. Both calibers share the same dimensions of the case head as the .300 H&H Magnum, but have far less body taper, resulting in the same internal capacity in a shorter case. So while some of my rifle choices may have been oddball, none of the rifles Ive used for elk have been exactly wrong. I am convinced there are better tools, and theres also that matter of mindset. The .35 Rem. The 6.5mm Creedmoor and the old 6.5x55 are sound minimal choices, adequate to 300 yards. The .300 Rem. Sure, we experiment a bit with other bore sizes, but in the end it always comes back to the .30 caliber. Your at the old delema again: does 200 fps matter to the deer. There is certainly no lack of .358-inch diameter bullets to choose from but brass is limited. Have all three, and have not shot any of em My medium is a 9,3x62. As a "stopper" for use on dangerous game the .358 Norma is clearly superior to the .300 Magnums. Equal in importance is that you can hit the elk. Make no mistake, the .30-06 is a powerful cartridge, but it doesnt beat you to death and can be built in the seven- to eight-pound range. And, as any fan of the .35-caliber cartridges knows, there are quite a few bullet weights to choose from within the caliber. On those gray, moody November days when I am feeling blue I take my Remington Model 141 pump-action rifle in .35 Rem. Throw a belt on the .35 Newton and you couldnt tell the difference three feet away. It, as you know, can be loadeddown to be a 35 Whelen but the reverse is not true. My favorite hunting round. Can Coolers | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Find More Great NRA Publications Perfect For Every Interest, Discover Everything That The NRA Has To Offer. Real world, the Norma bitchslaps brown bears and moose as convincingly as the 375H&H. X-Vision Optics long-range ImpactThermal Scope (TS300) boasts a 640 x 480 thermal sensor that can detect big game well past 3,000 yards. [1] The first time I ever hunted with a .358 Norma Magnum, it was a custom rifle built on a Mauser Mark X action. The most popular cartridges for hunting and even target shooting begin and end with the thirties. The quest for an acceptable .35 has inspired such impotent wastes as the .35 Winchester Self Loader, once labeled a candidate for the title: Worlds Most Useless Center-Fire Rifle Cartridge.. A failed product is often said to be ahead of its time, which is usually just a polite way of saying nobody wanted to buy it. Trust me, you could do worse, but youll be hard-pressed to do better! This was not the factory bullet from the 1960s, with its mild-steel jacket, but a later one. There is only .007-inch (seven thousandths) difference between the .270s .277-inch bullet and the 7mms .284-inch bullet. It will work in this action with ease and will be plenty cheap to feed and use if one simply sizes up 338 brass and goes along thier happy way. Not only that, many different bullet moulds were made for casting .358 bullets in some of the most fanciful shapes. Likewise, so do experienced western elk hunters. Unlike either the .338 or .375, the .35 (.358-inch) has been a standard American caliber since 1900. This new model featured two new cartridges, the .350 Rem. In the entry on the .358 Norma, it maintains that, had Norma convinced a major American riflemaker to offer the chambering in the early years, it could have become one of the greats. I am not into the current long-range fad, especially on powerful animals like elk. They include both the AccuBond and the Partition 225-grain bullets with a muzzle velocity of 2800 f.p.s. and a 250-grain Partition load with a muzzle velocity of 2550 f.p.s. Even the obscure .358 Norma Magnum is the most efficient of the belted-magnum cartridges [note - by the author's own data the 350 Remington Magnum bests the 358 Norma]. ), but with considerably less recoil. At 400 yds., the .358 Norma impacts 3.1 inches lower than the .300 Win. is still not burning up the sales records, so maybe ahead of its time is the wrong description. The hunter from afar, journeying into unfamiliar country, must also accept the pressure of a limited period of time and the knowledge that it may come down to just one chance. Folks who live in elk country may consciously seek a cow for the freezer. So when it comes to penetrating thick hide and heavy bone, one could see where the .350 Rigby could benefit from a heavier bullet, say a premium 250-grain with a SD of .279. Contributor Brad Fenson takes to the grill, to cook up some delicious venison burgers. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. SAUM and .300 WSM, with their 180 grain bullets at a MV of 2960-2970 fps, have an optimum range of about 120 yards on 1000 pound animals. This is basically a deer and black bear (CXP2 class game) cartridge, although it is reputed to be superior to cartridges in the .30-30 class for game weighing over about 400 pounds. Even so, most experienced deer hunters have pretty good ideas on appropriate rifles. Moving down a notch and comparing the .35 Whelen (250 grain bullet at a MV of 2400 fps) to the .30-06 (220 grains at 2410 fps), which have nearly identical case capacity, we find that the optimum game range (OGW) on 1000 pound animals is 10 yards for the .30-06 and 100 yards for the .35 Whelen. Well, it betters the velocity of the .35 Whelen by at least 200 fps, much the same as the .338 Winchester Magnum does to the .338-06. So are the .350 Remington Magnum and .358 Norma Magnum. As many hunters know, the Remington Model 600 carbine, which was introduced in 1964, was one of the first short, light, bolt-action rifles to find success with deer hunters. The .358 Norma Mag. As a result of all this activity, .358-inch diameter jacketed rifle bullets are available in a wide range of weights and styles, from 150-grain semipointed to 200- grain roundnose, all the way up to 310 grains for the heaviest game. Bottles & 12-oz. This is in sharp contrast to the overwhelming success of the .357/9mm handgun cartridges, whose popularity dates right to the beginning of the self-contained cartridge era. Kevin Steele stops by the Taurus booth to speak with Cody Osborn about the all new Raging Hunter platform from Taurus International. .358 Norma brass is a snap to make from 338 Win Mag brass. 358 norma mag is a rarer bird but as I understand fire forming 300 win mag. X-Vision Optics long-range ImpactThermal Scope (TS300) boasts a 640 x 480 thermal sensor that can detect big game well past 3,000 yards. For the next year, comparisons were inevitable between Johanssons Hammer of Thor and the .358s powerful 250-grain bullet. lbs. Between the .25s and the .35s are dozens of cartridges that are versatile and suitable. Equal in importance is that you can hit the elk. From the .35 Winchester (1903), .35 Remington (1906) and .351 Winchester Self-Loading (1907) to the later .358 Winchester (1955) and .350 Remington Magnum (1965), there has always been at least one .35-caliber cartridge in use. In fact, the recoil of the .358 Norma Magnum, at about 35 ft. lbs. Perhaps, if the word gets out to the shooting public, the born again .350 may finally achieve the commercial success it deserves. Gun guys recognize the potential in the .358. a good brush buster and good to 300 yards. With its spitzer-pointed bullets, the .358 is a good medium- to long-range cartridge with capabilities out to 250 yards on big game. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Bertram Brass from Australia is a good source when you can get it, and Quality Cartridge makes a run of .350 Rigby every few years, but you could be waiting a considerable amount of time. This standard (.30-06) length magnum cartridge drives a 250 grain bullet at a muzzle velocity (MV) of 2799 fps with 4350 ft. lbs. Perhaps thats why it has survived. Nils Kvaleone of the chief designers at Normahad experimented with a shortened .300 H&H case, necked to hold 8mm bullets, with the rim turned down to match the 8x57 rim diameter. It did shine with 148gr Double ended wadcutters over a few grains of 700x shooting clover leaf groups at 50 yards, I used it all fall putting squirrels in the pot. was initially chambered in Remingtons Model 8 autoloader, soon followed by the Model 14 pump-action. Theres more to success than merely landing a good one on the chin. Of them all the one I still have is the 9,3X62. I'm looking for a simpler project on this one. It was introduced in the bolt-action Model 70 in which it was trustworthy, but boring. in an 8.5 pound rifle, is comparable to the much more popular but less effective (on CXP3 class game) .300 Weatherby or .300 Remington Ultra Magnums. Avoid quick-opening bullets, especially match bullets; instead, choose controlled-expansion designs intended for hunting larger game. from my E.R. What should the discerning collector look for in a potential buy? The .35 Rem. Far more alternatives, in fact, than exist in several more popular caliber families. The .350 can drive a 250 grain bullet to a MV of 2500 fps. With a 200-grain bullet the .35 Whelen actually shoots a bit flatter than the .30-06 Sprg. You get the shot you get, and within sensible limits, you must be able to take the shot offered. DoubleTap loads the 180-grain Barnes TTSX bullet at 3100 fps, and the 225-grain Swift A-Frame at 3000 fps, giving options to the hunter who wants the most versatility from their big-game rifle. The original Schultz & Larsens were sold without iron sights, and they were installed on my rifle afterward. A cross-section of loads for the .358 Norma Magnum include the (1) Sierra 125-grain JHP, (2) Sierra 170 FMJ, (3) Speer 180, (4) 200-grain cast bullet and a (5) Sierra 200 roundnose. of muzzle energy. Mag.They have almost identical case capacity, but the .358 Norma Mag. In 1965 Remington took it to the next level with the introduction of the Model 600 Magnum Carbine. From the Green Goblin (a bolt-action rifle I built on a Remington action), both will produce groups that are sub-minute-of-angle. Your rifle is your most important hunting tool, and knowing how to properly clean and store it when hunting season comes to a close is critical in keeping it in tip-top shape. Quite a difference! In the shooting sports we call that reaction recoil or "kick." it is one nice gun and made for tight places. in its NoslerCustom line with a 225-grain Partition bullet at 2550 f.p.s. it is complicated further by a requirement for different burning rate powders. Synthetic wins over laminate because laminates, strongest of all, are also heaviest. G. Joined: Sep 2009. I rely on Roberson Cartridge Company out of Texas for projects like these, and their .350 Rigby brass is wonderfully uniform and properly headstamped. Heres a detailed look at each step of the process. Publisher of Petersen's HUNTING magazine, Kevin Steele is at the Steiner Optics booth with Alberto Corbetta to discuss the Predator 4 and Predator 8. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. The 250-grain .358-inch bulletwith a sectional density of 0.279if properly constructed, has enough length to handle the brown bear and bison, and all of the African plains game species, plus lion and leopard. I wont go so far as to say thats foolish, but theres a major difference in size and toughness between a cow or spike and a mature bull. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction; that is one of the physical laws of our universe. [quote=encorerbHmmm, makes me wonder. A medium variable in the 3-9X or 2.5-10X range should be enough scope for elk hunting. Introducing the Veracity PH from Burris, the perfect combination of reliability, quality, and technology delivering a simple aiming solutiona tool for the hunter that just works. factory load is a 250-grain Oryx bullet listed with a muzzle velocity of 2723 f.p.s. That list, by the way, is in ascending order of power. Ive had a 350 RM in a 600 Remington since the 60s. Does the power of the magnum offer much over the whelen in real life terms? is a wonderful cartridge, but nobody buys them. Now, I have to go out on a limb and say that sensible elk cartridges aren't all about power. Heres a detailed look at each step of the process. Its often thought that if they had it would have gained popularity over the .338 Win.

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